Organic is a matter of trusting certification (Beware!). For vegetables, trust or grow your own. “Pastured” chicken eggs are becoming less trustworthy. Butter and cheese are iffy. I buy raw milk, whenever I’m in a “legal” state, and have had a good experience drinking it. I’ll check on Cornucopia. Thanks for the article.
I grew up drinking milk we bought from my moms first cousin, who had a small dairy herd of around 50 cows, for $1 for two gallons that he dipped out of the catch bin straight from the cows. I can see the whole set up in my minds eye to this day, and smell the sharp smell of the combination of fresh milk, manure, and cow that permeated the little dairy. It still makes my mouth water. I quit drinking milk long ago because it doesn’t taste right to me unless my friend buys me an extra gallon when she goes to the organic dairy 50 minutes away that she gets for her son. Thank you for this reminder of how it should be done.
when I came to the States, I noticed the milk here taste different from the Ultra heated ones in cartons in Europe (I think they might never spoil). Not very dairy- tollerant I still had to quit. I use lots of yoghourt and cheese without problems, though. I have never tried fresh milk for the same reason you state. I have to drive more than an hour to get it, and don't know the people who sell it.
If you can find a raw source closer (try RawMilk.org, if I recall the URL), I think it'll not have the same reactivity in your body that the pasteurized does. Entirely different in its nature.
Here's the one I know is solid: https://www.realmilk.com but yours is world wide! And multi-species!! Wow, looks like a great resource. I'm saving to Evernote for future reference.
Quick question. I just forwarded these websites to my mom friend who is looking for more sources of raw milk for her kiddo because the ones she has been using has completely dried up for the winter. This is her first year off breast milk as he is now 2 so it’s the first time running into this problem. She raises chickens and the eggs do fall way off in winter too. Is this common/normal? As a kid I very rarely drank store milk because of my cousins dairy and I don’t recall this being an issue but I was pretty young and could easily have forgotten. I know that industrial dairy does not have this issue, maybe it’s a healthy cow phenomenon? Or a small number of healthy cows/too few to rotate issue?
A friend told me years ago that most organic is fake, specially since Walmart started with their own organic brand. Someone Else told me that "organic" usually means, not sprayed more than allowed. All the rest is sprayed into oblivion. Never watched for organic for that reason, and because organic usually means double the price. The only friend who grew organic veggies has stopped because he could no longer work the land, and then they moved. But the taste of the organic eggs I now and then get from someone taste very different from the rubber like store bought eggs !
I'd trust those on Cornucopia's lists to be genuine. They are sticklers, and you'll even see them ranked within a list from best practices to acceptable but lesser.
And yeah to the taste! And even the appearance of those organic, pasture raised eggs, with a bright orange yolk that stands up and says HI!
There's a bigger question in regards to this issue that rarely is asked, which is: is it appropriate for adult humans to be consuming what was meant by nature to nourish baby cows? Is it ethical and humane to endlessly induce lactation in another being to do this? Is it ethical and humane to discard unwanted calves (veal) to do this? This happens nowhere else in nature.
IMO, milk consumption by adults is not biologically appropriate and consumption of the milk of another species by human babies is questionable. Human babies should be fed human milk (preferably from their own mother) for a short time and that's it.
We need to seriously think about how we're treating the rest of the planet. Read the last chapter of Don Hamilton's book. He's got it just about right.
No one is denying you the right to the diet of your choice, and I’d expect you not to dictate what I choose to eat and drink as well. And Don has long since left veganism behind, just FYI.
Nobody is telling you what to do so calm down. Just sharing a different perspective. You're for open dialogue right? Never mentioned the v-word so let's not throw that red herring into the mix. I think Pitcairn has come to a similar conclusion with regard to the larger picture, just FYI.
Raw milk by Raw Farm is what I’ve been drinking and I think they are reputable. But the 3 letter agencies are claiming ‘bird flu’ and now this milk is starting to be recalled. They’ll be sure we have no access to raw or natural anything soon 😒
Yes. Cheaters need to be culled. Especially government agencies. Do your homework. Talk to your farmers.
What finally stopped me;
Sitting at the table with my 'organic cereal' and reading my "Organic" Milk Carton.
Triple Pasteurized, it said ...
TRIPLE pasteurized. So this milk would last in my fridge LONGER than 'standard' processed crap?
Seriously?
Organic milk with a 3+ week shelf life?
No thanks.
A bit wild, isn't it? The value is lost with all that heat after all that work to bring it to organic standards.
How they even are allowed to claim Organic when it seems at the point of consumption, it is basically white, VERY white liquid.
-'bleck'
Organic is a matter of trusting certification (Beware!). For vegetables, trust or grow your own. “Pastured” chicken eggs are becoming less trustworthy. Butter and cheese are iffy. I buy raw milk, whenever I’m in a “legal” state, and have had a good experience drinking it. I’ll check on Cornucopia. Thanks for the article.
I grew up drinking milk we bought from my moms first cousin, who had a small dairy herd of around 50 cows, for $1 for two gallons that he dipped out of the catch bin straight from the cows. I can see the whole set up in my minds eye to this day, and smell the sharp smell of the combination of fresh milk, manure, and cow that permeated the little dairy. It still makes my mouth water. I quit drinking milk long ago because it doesn’t taste right to me unless my friend buys me an extra gallon when she goes to the organic dairy 50 minutes away that she gets for her son. Thank you for this reminder of how it should be done.
when I came to the States, I noticed the milk here taste different from the Ultra heated ones in cartons in Europe (I think they might never spoil). Not very dairy- tollerant I still had to quit. I use lots of yoghourt and cheese without problems, though. I have never tried fresh milk for the same reason you state. I have to drive more than an hour to get it, and don't know the people who sell it.
If you can find a raw source closer (try RawMilk.org, if I recall the URL), I think it'll not have the same reactivity in your body that the pasteurized does. Entirely different in its nature.
It’s actually getrawmilk.com as I just found out by going to a “sale” page for the above domain page. 😂
Here's the one I know is solid: https://www.realmilk.com but yours is world wide! And multi-species!! Wow, looks like a great resource. I'm saving to Evernote for future reference.
Thanks!
Quick question. I just forwarded these websites to my mom friend who is looking for more sources of raw milk for her kiddo because the ones she has been using has completely dried up for the winter. This is her first year off breast milk as he is now 2 so it’s the first time running into this problem. She raises chickens and the eggs do fall way off in winter too. Is this common/normal? As a kid I very rarely drank store milk because of my cousins dairy and I don’t recall this being an issue but I was pretty young and could easily have forgotten. I know that industrial dairy does not have this issue, maybe it’s a healthy cow phenomenon? Or a small number of healthy cows/too few to rotate issue?
A friend told me years ago that most organic is fake, specially since Walmart started with their own organic brand. Someone Else told me that "organic" usually means, not sprayed more than allowed. All the rest is sprayed into oblivion. Never watched for organic for that reason, and because organic usually means double the price. The only friend who grew organic veggies has stopped because he could no longer work the land, and then they moved. But the taste of the organic eggs I now and then get from someone taste very different from the rubber like store bought eggs !
I'd trust those on Cornucopia's lists to be genuine. They are sticklers, and you'll even see them ranked within a list from best practices to acceptable but lesser.
And yeah to the taste! And even the appearance of those organic, pasture raised eggs, with a bright orange yolk that stands up and says HI!
I always consult cornucopia esp when traveling and shopping for dairy and eggs
unfortunately no one in my neighborhood or within an hour's drive is on their list. Been a long time reader of their posts.
Maybe some things can be shipped?
There's a bigger question in regards to this issue that rarely is asked, which is: is it appropriate for adult humans to be consuming what was meant by nature to nourish baby cows? Is it ethical and humane to endlessly induce lactation in another being to do this? Is it ethical and humane to discard unwanted calves (veal) to do this? This happens nowhere else in nature.
IMO, milk consumption by adults is not biologically appropriate and consumption of the milk of another species by human babies is questionable. Human babies should be fed human milk (preferably from their own mother) for a short time and that's it.
We need to seriously think about how we're treating the rest of the planet. Read the last chapter of Don Hamilton's book. He's got it just about right.
No one is denying you the right to the diet of your choice, and I’d expect you not to dictate what I choose to eat and drink as well. And Don has long since left veganism behind, just FYI.
Nobody is telling you what to do so calm down. Just sharing a different perspective. You're for open dialogue right? Never mentioned the v-word so let's not throw that red herring into the mix. I think Pitcairn has come to a similar conclusion with regard to the larger picture, just FYI.
Raw milk by Raw Farm is what I’ve been drinking and I think they are reputable. But the 3 letter agencies are claiming ‘bird flu’ and now this milk is starting to be recalled. They’ll be sure we have no access to raw or natural anything soon 😒
Is Bovaer coming to a farm near you soon ? Enough to scare anyone off dairy and all associated foods and products for life
Thanks so much for keeping us informed and sharing your vast knowledge. I really appreciate it and always look forward to your emails!