Could DMSO work for stomatitis? I’ve rubbed it over inflamed areas on my own gums with amazing results. Do you have an opinion on DMSO from a homeopathic perspective?
Although The Midwestern Doctor is a human doctor, I bet a lot of his information is useful to pets, mostly larger animals, like horses or large breed dogs, as dosing is less 'scientific' if done by weight. I used DMSO for my dog's sore shoulder until I found out the problem was in his rhomboids where trigger point therapy and good old fashioned stretching seems to be working quite well. I'm less sure about cats and would not try it without consulting someone who has used it on cats. There appears to be more differences and quirks with cats where simple redosing does not work than with large dogs.
Agree! I have always believed she is a woman due to a few of her personal anecdotes. I have personally used 1-2 drops of DMSO and ozonated glycerine to make a hydoxyapetite powder paste (no xylitol!) that I brush my 18 lb poodle mix teeth,1 x daily. She is raw fed and used to eat bones but had 2 very loose bottom teeth. My homeopathic vet wanted to extract them during her only cleaning ever done and I firmly declined as the ozonated glycerine was due to arrive the next day. I spent the year prior in South America and the water was terrible, affecting my dog's teeth and both of us (humans). Upon getting back to AZ and having access to DMSO & ozonated glycerine, her teeth are no longer loose but she still will not eat raw meaty bones. I do add a small 1/2 scoop of hydroxyapetite to her raw food in the am. I have personally used topical DMSO gel and liquid for everything from burns, cacti punctures, sprains, tooth infection, and retinal eye bleeds. Start low and slow, DMSO has truly been the most remarkable substance I have ever used, all thanks to AMD's prodidous writings!
Thanks for being on top of this! bravo! Homeopathic vets rock but there are not enough of them. Give your Poodle a hug from me please and thank you for brushing her teeth and feeding raw!
Apoquel, Cytopoint, Zenrelia oh my! The Unholy Trio. Great stack today Doc. Enjoy the hill station; what a gorgeous venue. I am jealous but in a very positive way, lol!
I had a cat who apparently had stomatitis, about 30 years ago. I fed kibble then, and she took a mouthful, then backed away and hissed at the food dish, then scurried away. I checked out her mouth, and she did have some gum redness and tartar. It was Thanksgiving a couple days later, and I had my leftover turkey on a table to salvage the remaining meat, and she jumped up onto the table and started plowing into the meat bits. Since she hadn't eaten well in a few days, I let her go for it until she got full and leaped down. I took her to my vet for a teeth cleaning, which I hoped would take care of the issue. He said depending on what he found, he might have to pull a couple teeth, which I agreed to, but she came out of the surgery missing most of her teeth! He never mentioned the word stomatitis.
I am a veterinarian using homeopathy (in 2nd year of a 4 year homeopath school) and am seeing horrific effects from apoquel, et al. Would you please point me to the group of vet homeopaths that you mentioned that are using these as remedies (tautopathy)? Thank you, Maureen
On the topic of NR Breeders, I'd probably add in proper health testing concurrent with breed health requirements (Like OFA, etc). Too many backyard breeders and puppy mills may glob onto this as a "new market" for gullible buyers who don't understand and just see a cute puppy. You really have to do your research. NR could become a marketing term much in the way that "gluten free" has become. Evaluate any potential breeder before falling in love with that cute puppy face.
We've lost a few feral cats to stomatitis (we euthanized as we can't handle them for individualized treatment, but we also don't want them to just starve to death). We live on the edge of a small town out in a rural part of the state (the plains, so mostly grasslands); they roam freely, generally towards open fields, and hunt mostly mice. We have some who show up for canned food once or twice daily, others come around a few times a week. The only time these cats get vaccinated is when they get TNR'd (once in their life) and those who ended up with stomatitis hadn't had vaccinations for 3 or more years. It perplexes me as to why a few have gotten it, but most have not, when they hunt/live in same areas, get the same provided food, and had the same veterinary procedures.
We all come into these bodies with a certain amount of inherited chronic disease. Humans can easily track it (I see things I clearly got from Mom, others from Dad), but animals, we just rarely have the genealogy to know this piece.
And: I see vaccinosis appear in later life. Not unusual at all, even if it's been years since the shots.
Hmm interesting about apoquel. I'll have to check on my records to see if I told her (the homeopathic vet) about it. It kinda left my mind as his course was so short (maybe 2 months- I got one refill but discarded most of the second refill) and I used the prescription dose for only a couple of weeks. Then I went down to just the so called maintenance doses. He wasn't getting better and I believed it affected his thyroid as he started losing fur. He finally has almost all.of it back, except for a small patch on his tail.
Wow, I keep hearing new side effects with this crazy drug! First I’ve heard this one. Another new to me: aggression! Glad your dog didn’t have it long term. That seems to really mess with them.
Could DMSO work for stomatitis? I’ve rubbed it over inflamed areas on my own gums with amazing results. Do you have an opinion on DMSO from a homeopathic perspective?
Good question. Another: would a cat tolerate it? Pretty funky tasting and foreign to a cat, I’d guess. But how cool that it helped you!
Although The Midwestern Doctor is a human doctor, I bet a lot of his information is useful to pets, mostly larger animals, like horses or large breed dogs, as dosing is less 'scientific' if done by weight. I used DMSO for my dog's sore shoulder until I found out the problem was in his rhomboids where trigger point therapy and good old fashioned stretching seems to be working quite well. I'm less sure about cats and would not try it without consulting someone who has used it on cats. There appears to be more differences and quirks with cats where simple redosing does not work than with large dogs.
Right on, and cats are know “extra sensitives,” so I’d definitely want to hear some solid, well evaluated feline experiences before trying it.
Yes AMD rules! And AMD is a female just fyi. She made 3 slips on her substack articles.
Agree! I have always believed she is a woman due to a few of her personal anecdotes. I have personally used 1-2 drops of DMSO and ozonated glycerine to make a hydoxyapetite powder paste (no xylitol!) that I brush my 18 lb poodle mix teeth,1 x daily. She is raw fed and used to eat bones but had 2 very loose bottom teeth. My homeopathic vet wanted to extract them during her only cleaning ever done and I firmly declined as the ozonated glycerine was due to arrive the next day. I spent the year prior in South America and the water was terrible, affecting my dog's teeth and both of us (humans). Upon getting back to AZ and having access to DMSO & ozonated glycerine, her teeth are no longer loose but she still will not eat raw meaty bones. I do add a small 1/2 scoop of hydroxyapetite to her raw food in the am. I have personally used topical DMSO gel and liquid for everything from burns, cacti punctures, sprains, tooth infection, and retinal eye bleeds. Start low and slow, DMSO has truly been the most remarkable substance I have ever used, all thanks to AMD's prodidous writings!
Thanks for being on top of this! bravo! Homeopathic vets rock but there are not enough of them. Give your Poodle a hug from me please and thank you for brushing her teeth and feeding raw!
Jolene, here is a vet talking about DMSO use in pets.
https://www.facebook.com/veterinarysecrets/videos/remember-dmso-this-old-school-anti-inflammatory-might-be-just-the-answer-for-you/593742043170946/
Apoquel, Cytopoint, Zenrelia oh my! The Unholy Trio. Great stack today Doc. Enjoy the hill station; what a gorgeous venue. I am jealous but in a very positive way, lol!
I had a cat who apparently had stomatitis, about 30 years ago. I fed kibble then, and she took a mouthful, then backed away and hissed at the food dish, then scurried away. I checked out her mouth, and she did have some gum redness and tartar. It was Thanksgiving a couple days later, and I had my leftover turkey on a table to salvage the remaining meat, and she jumped up onto the table and started plowing into the meat bits. Since she hadn't eaten well in a few days, I let her go for it until she got full and leaped down. I took her to my vet for a teeth cleaning, which I hoped would take care of the issue. He said depending on what he found, he might have to pull a couple teeth, which I agreed to, but she came out of the surgery missing most of her teeth! He never mentioned the word stomatitis.
Classic stomatitis: hissing at the food! Yow! Why did you hurt me??
I am a veterinarian using homeopathy (in 2nd year of a 4 year homeopath school) and am seeing horrific effects from apoquel, et al. Would you please point me to the group of vet homeopaths that you mentioned that are using these as remedies (tautopathy)? Thank you, Maureen
Maureen, if you’re in the US, join the AVH. If international, IAVH. Then you’ll have access to the forum, where I quoted from.
On the topic of NR Breeders, I'd probably add in proper health testing concurrent with breed health requirements (Like OFA, etc). Too many backyard breeders and puppy mills may glob onto this as a "new market" for gullible buyers who don't understand and just see a cute puppy. You really have to do your research. NR could become a marketing term much in the way that "gluten free" has become. Evaluate any potential breeder before falling in love with that cute puppy face.
Those cute puppy faces can quickly remove discernment! Good call.
We've lost a few feral cats to stomatitis (we euthanized as we can't handle them for individualized treatment, but we also don't want them to just starve to death). We live on the edge of a small town out in a rural part of the state (the plains, so mostly grasslands); they roam freely, generally towards open fields, and hunt mostly mice. We have some who show up for canned food once or twice daily, others come around a few times a week. The only time these cats get vaccinated is when they get TNR'd (once in their life) and those who ended up with stomatitis hadn't had vaccinations for 3 or more years. It perplexes me as to why a few have gotten it, but most have not, when they hunt/live in same areas, get the same provided food, and had the same veterinary procedures.
We all come into these bodies with a certain amount of inherited chronic disease. Humans can easily track it (I see things I clearly got from Mom, others from Dad), but animals, we just rarely have the genealogy to know this piece.
And: I see vaccinosis appear in later life. Not unusual at all, even if it's been years since the shots.
Hmm interesting about apoquel. I'll have to check on my records to see if I told her (the homeopathic vet) about it. It kinda left my mind as his course was so short (maybe 2 months- I got one refill but discarded most of the second refill) and I used the prescription dose for only a couple of weeks. Then I went down to just the so called maintenance doses. He wasn't getting better and I believed it affected his thyroid as he started losing fur. He finally has almost all.of it back, except for a small patch on his tail.
Wow, I keep hearing new side effects with this crazy drug! First I’ve heard this one. Another new to me: aggression! Glad your dog didn’t have it long term. That seems to really mess with them.